The second Liquid Worship service.

Using Sunday morning to think about how to bring God into your life is a rewarding activity. It’s worth getting the family up early and bringing them in. This week there was a good breakfast as usual and then the children disappeared with Shipshape to their own activities while the rest of the congregation split up into various sessions to discuss suggested ideas.

Is the universe evidence of a Creator?

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Tim Ross gave a very well researched and stimulating presentation on the problematic concept of using creation as proof that God exists. He reminded us of how the Bible links the glory of Creation with its Creator, as if this was all the proof we need. Many thinkers are unhappy with such an approach, and scientists and cosmologists are totally unconvinced. They point out that creation, amazing as it is in the way that life is ordered and balanced, could be no more than physics and chemistry following their natural rules of behaviour without any guiding maker. Certainly, when our eyes turn from the beauty of nature to the seemingly negative aspects of disease and disasters it is difficult to recognise a benevolent God. An attractive scientific idea at the moment is to consider how stringently the universe is tuned to create what now exists . Fundamental mathematical constants have only to be slightly different and nothing could exist at all.
We then thought about the three questions he posed.
1. Does the universe provide evidence of a creator ? We mostly decided it didn’t
2. Does it take the eye of faith to see the hand of God in creation? Yes it clearly must because so many admirable people appreciate the created world but don’t have a faith in God.
3.Can/should Christians continue to use creation as evidence for the existence of God? Yes, because although it’s not proof, it is evidence
The time for discussion was frustratingly limited but at least we left thinking about ideas that had been aired, armed with useful handouts.

 


 

Refugees

refugees

Claire say:

Our group began by looking at various newspaper cartoons depicting typical responses to the subject of immigration and refugees. The cartoons mainly brought up feelings of fear, misunderstanding, racism and NIMBY-ism (not in my back yard!). In the main, our group disagreed with the scare-mongering tactics and false images portrayed by these cuttings, but we could also understand where they were coming from to a point. We spoke of how the majority of us form our opinions of immigrants and refugees through what we hear in the media, yet we all agreed how biased that can be. Therefore, we talked about how we could become better informed - such as by finding out a more balanced picture from people and organisations who work alongside migrants/refugees, and by striving to reach out to individuals in christian love (as was brought up in the NOOMA DVD we had watched over breakfast).

Our discussion progressed onto talking about how we tend to tar all such people with the same brush, but that there is a difference between immigrants and refugees. Yes, there are organised groups that bring people over from other countries who are involved in crimes of various sorts, but there are also those who have been driven from their homes through tragic and heart-breaking circumstances, whom we as Christians should surely seek to help.

We ended our time with the challenge not to judge people by what they can offer to us, how much money they have (or haven't) got or how much their presence might upset our comfort zones, but by seeing individuals for who they really are, being Christ for them and so loving God by loving them.

James also distributed a hand-out at the end for further reflection.

prodigal_sonIn the other group there was mainly a discussion which started by thinking about the parable of the Prodical Son. However, the discussion went very much off on a tangent and focused on what happens when you say you’re a Christian. The topic might come up innocently when some asks you what did you did on Sunday you say, “I went to Church”. Or at a rambling club meeting you might be discussing an outing for next Sunday and someone may say to you, “Ah, of course, you won’t be there, you will be at church”. Introducing oneself to a larger group will often induce a frosty reception if you mention simply that you are a Christian. The stereotypes and images that the Christian religion can invoke in non believers is hard to deal with. To introduce the morning session we saw a video of the “megaphone” Christian Bible-bashing in the street. What a negative image we have inherited !  However, others in the group talked about people they had met in their lives who have sown seeds which have borne fruit - some many years later. A number of the women mentioned the problem of husbands who really were not interested in church and wondered how others coped with the problem. The answer seemed to be either to get them involalphaved in a non religious part of the church such as helping out with the minibus, or to encourage them to come to the Alpha courses which are run periodically throughout the year. Here they are welcome to voice any opinions they have and to see what reaction the rest of the group has. The next course is scheduled for October and at the moment we are hoping to hold it in a cafe or some non religious environment.
See what alpha courses are about at www.uk.alpha.org

friendshipbracelet

In the wrap up session before coffee the children were eager to show us first the friendship bracelets and tell us what the different colour strands represented .The very young ones showed us pictures they had fun sticking. Their enthusiasm was very engaging.

The first liquid worship service